Something pretty gross happened to me while letterboxing last
weekend. Please read this to prevent becoming a victim (or--gasp--a
perpetrator) yourself.
Since I'm always noticing great potential hiding spots along the
trail, and because I noticed a sign at the trailhead discussing the
growing popularity of geocaching in the area, when I spotted an
unusually placed rock inside a hollow tree trunk next to the trail,
of course I looked under it. Naturally, I was expecting to find a
little treasure--maybe I'd discovered a geocache by accident?--but
NO! My curiosity was rewarded with a big blob of disgusting TOILET
PAPER!
I spend a lot of time outdoors and I've noticed a growing problem
with this gross white stuff appearing all over the place. All too
often, it's right out in the open and not far enough from the
trail. To make matters worse, now that letterboxing actually has me
willingly looking under carefully arranged sticks or rocks and
accidentally finding stuff that nobody was ever supposed to find,
even those people who bother to conceal their mess but do it poorly
and in a conspicuous place are also becoming a problem.
I like to think that the chances that a letterboxer would do such a
yucky thing are slim. But as a group, we do spend a decent amount
of time out there, and chances are that nature has called on all of
us at one time or another when there were no facilities in sight.
If it hasn't happened to you yet, it probably will. So I thought I
might take this opportunity to remind everyone here that it's not
acceptable to leave any kind of litter out there, including your
toilet paper.
Here are the commonly accepted rules regarding this issue as I
understand them:
To protect water quality and the aesthetics of the wilderness, you
must bury any human waste at least 6" deep and at least 100' from
water sources, camp areas or trails. Pack out all toilet paper.
So if you can't restrict yourself to using the porta-potty at the
trail head, and if you must use toilet paper, please also bring a
few extra zip locks so you can pack it out. I know packing it out
is less than fun, so if you don't want to do that, then get yourself
some biodegradable TP and a little plastic shovel at an outdoor
store so you can bury it at least 6" deep and at least 100 feet from
the trail, water and camp areas. (Ladies, same thing goes for your
girl stuff. Pack it out. I don't want it in my bag either, but
it's the only way.)
I don't think that's too much to ask! Please feel free to pass this
advice on to anyone else who might need to know this important
information! I think we all stand to benefit from this one. If
everyone followed the rules, then every letterboxer would be free to
look under any rock within 100 feet of the trail without the fear of
finding something they weren't looking for!
Thanks for listening,
Sunshine
Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
13 messages in this thread |
Started on 2004-07-29
Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: sunshine8675308 (letterboxing8675309@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2004-07-29 20:59:03 UTC
Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: Phyto (phyto_me@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-07-30 00:19:23 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "sunshine8675308"
wrote:
> Here are the commonly accepted rules regarding this issue as I
> understand them:
There is a wonderful book by Kathleen Meyer - entitled: "How to - - - t in the
woods" I kid you not, I've actually read it. This might be worthwhile for some folks
to pick up. It is a very serious concern in more fragile wildnerness areas especially
alipne areas.
Ryan Carpenter might enlighten us a little better on the ethics and practicality of
this fine art. Do tell.
phyto
> Here are the commonly accepted rules regarding this issue as I
> understand them:
There is a wonderful book by Kathleen Meyer - entitled: "How to - - - t in the
woods" I kid you not, I've actually read it. This might be worthwhile for some folks
to pick up. It is a very serious concern in more fragile wildnerness areas especially
alipne areas.
Ryan Carpenter might enlighten us a little better on the ethics and practicality of
this fine art. Do tell.
phyto
Re: [LbNA] Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: (stenbock@aol.com) |
Date: 2004-07-29 20:53:47 UTC-04:00
Ewwww!
But I always have a few ziploc bags with me, just in case I want to take
something home. The idea of using it for...well....you know...never occured to
me, but hey, it works.
I have a fanny pack that I used for hiking; it has a notebook, a compass, a
nature guide, a knife, some ziploc bags, and some other things; when I started
letterboxing, I just added a stamp pad and a stamp! The notebook has sketches
and notes from earlier adventures; the stamps just add a new dimension to it.
:-)
I should probably add some gloves to the mix, just in case...
Mike
Actually, adv. Perhaps; possibly. (Ambrose Bierce, THE DEVIL'S DICTIONARY)
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But I always have a few ziploc bags with me, just in case I want to take
something home. The idea of using it for...well....you know...never occured to
me, but hey, it works.
I have a fanny pack that I used for hiking; it has a notebook, a compass, a
nature guide, a knife, some ziploc bags, and some other things; when I started
letterboxing, I just added a stamp pad and a stamp! The notebook has sketches
and notes from earlier adventures; the stamps just add a new dimension to it.
:-)
I should probably add some gloves to the mix, just in case...
Mike
Actually, adv. Perhaps; possibly. (Ambrose Bierce, THE DEVIL'S DICTIONARY)
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Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: Jayme (paulandjayme.duggan@verizon.net) |
Date: 2004-07-30 02:04:23 UTC
Very good point! I found myself nearly gagging walking along a
trail littered with the white stuff recently. Unfortunately, I
doubt that many of the culprits read these chat groups but it will
get those of us who do all thinking.
trail littered with the white stuff recently. Unfortunately, I
doubt that many of the culprits read these chat groups but it will
get those of us who do all thinking.
Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2004-07-30 03:03:53 UTC
> Ryan Carpenter might enlighten us a little better on the ethics
> and practicality of this fine art. Do tell.
Oh, gosh, that'll seal whatever's left of my reputation.
Just make sure when you're digging your six inch hole, don't cut
into an electric line by accident and knock out power to several
million people. It could be embarrassing. ;o)
The "How To S**T In the Woods" book is pretty funny. I've only read
parts of it mostly to amuse my easily amused mind, but it does have
good info!
But if you really want to hear my suggestions: It's a lot easier
to 'do your thing' in civilization. Get it all out *before* you get
on the trail! The only people who should be doing stuff out in the
woods are those with bowel problems and those who haven't seen
alternative means for doing your thing for at least 24 hours. ;o)
Even on the AT I could usually find a privy when a privy was
needed.... (Be careful when they're REALLY full, though, and don't
go alone--people have been known to get locked in by accident when
the lock closed behind them!!!)
-- Ryan
> and practicality of this fine art. Do tell.
Oh, gosh, that'll seal whatever's left of my reputation.
Just make sure when you're digging your six inch hole, don't cut
into an electric line by accident and knock out power to several
million people. It could be embarrassing. ;o)
The "How To S**T In the Woods" book is pretty funny. I've only read
parts of it mostly to amuse my easily amused mind, but it does have
good info!
But if you really want to hear my suggestions: It's a lot easier
to 'do your thing' in civilization. Get it all out *before* you get
on the trail! The only people who should be doing stuff out in the
woods are those with bowel problems and those who haven't seen
alternative means for doing your thing for at least 24 hours. ;o)
Even on the AT I could usually find a privy when a privy was
needed.... (Be careful when they're REALLY full, though, and don't
go alone--people have been known to get locked in by accident when
the lock closed behind them!!!)
-- Ryan
Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: (ladylee84@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-07-30 03:17:11 UTC
Last week i found underwear hanging on a tree as well as the tp all
scattered around. Now that was gross....
scattered around. Now that was gross....
Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: lizardbuttsfamily (mmebt@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2004-07-30 04:33:59 UTC
(Be careful when they're REALLY full, though, and don't
> go alone--people have been known to get locked in by accident when
> the lock closed behind them!!!)
>
> -- Ryan
Isn't the lock in the inside? This is similar to when some folks use
an airplane toilet for the first time and for some reason they have a
difficult time figuring out how the door works.
Lizardbutt's mom
> go alone--people have been known to get locked in by accident when
> the lock closed behind them!!!)
>
> -- Ryan
Isn't the lock in the inside? This is similar to when some folks use
an airplane toilet for the first time and for some reason they have a
difficult time figuring out how the door works.
Lizardbutt's mom
Re: [LbNA] Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: lizardbuttsfamily (mmebt@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2004-07-30 04:38:22 UTC
>
> I should probably add some gloves to the mix, just in case...
>
> Mike
>
Just turn the ziploc bag inside out before use and it can be your
gloves as well as the container.
Lizardbutt's mom aka The Hiker
Re: [LbNA] Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: Doodle & Deedle Bug (doodle_n_deedle@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-07-30 05:52:02 UTC-07:00
Well, I'd think it's common sense...you pick up after you dog does their business, you pick up after you do yours, too...right?
Doodle (who so envies her boyfriend's non-need for toilet paper at times....)
Jayme wrote:
Very good point! I found myself nearly gagging walking along a
trail littered with the white stuff recently. Unfortunately, I
doubt that many of the culprits read these chat groups but it will
get those of us who do all thinking.
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Doodle (who so envies her boyfriend's non-need for toilet paper at times....)
Jayme
Very good point! I found myself nearly gagging walking along a
trail littered with the white stuff recently. Unfortunately, I
doubt that many of the culprits read these chat groups but it will
get those of us who do all thinking.
Yahoo! Groups Links
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Letterboxers wear Khakis. Or jeans. Or shorts, if they're not scared of poison ivy. And rainjackets when they're crazy enough to go 'boxing in a downpour. And sunscreen, bug spray, big backpacks to hold all those stamp pads and box first aid supplies and extra bug spray and their very important water, and good hiking boots, and...
Visit us on the web at www.geocities.com/doodle_n_deedle
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Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2004-07-30 16:26:39 UTC
> Isn't the lock in the inside?
Well, no. At least most of the privies on the AT have a way to lock
the door from the outside to keep porcupines, skunks, and other
undesireables out. In cities and towns, that's usually not a big
problem. Out on the trail--well, you don't want to accidentally sit
on a skunk when you're preoccupied with other things....
So trail privies have locks on the outside for when the privy is not
in use, and a lock on the inside for when the privy is in use.
And I heard about at least one guy who accidentally got locked in
with a VERY full privy and there was nobody around to get him out.
Apparently, it was a very unpleasant situation....
-- Ryan
Well, no. At least most of the privies on the AT have a way to lock
the door from the outside to keep porcupines, skunks, and other
undesireables out. In cities and towns, that's usually not a big
problem. Out on the trail--well, you don't want to accidentally sit
on a skunk when you're preoccupied with other things....
So trail privies have locks on the outside for when the privy is not
in use, and a lock on the inside for when the privy is in use.
And I heard about at least one guy who accidentally got locked in
with a VERY full privy and there was nobody around to get him out.
Apparently, it was a very unpleasant situation....
-- Ryan
[LbNA] Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@pocketmail.com) |
Date: 2004-07-30 16:31:21 UTC
> Doodle (who so envies her boyfriend's non-need for toilet paper at
> times....)
You know, a lot of girls will 'drip dry' if all they have to do is
pee. ;o)
On another bright note, do remember that many of the natural things
around you are quite nice and refreshing for cleaning up other body
parts. And the best part is: If you use leaves, smooth rocks, or
whatever, you CAN leave that behind. *nodding* No need for toilet
paper, and no need to pack out used toilet paper. =)
-- Ryan
> times....)
You know, a lot of girls will 'drip dry' if all they have to do is
pee. ;o)
On another bright note, do remember that many of the natural things
around you are quite nice and refreshing for cleaning up other body
parts. And the best part is: If you use leaves, smooth rocks, or
whatever, you CAN leave that behind. *nodding* No need for toilet
paper, and no need to pack out used toilet paper. =)
-- Ryan
RE: [LbNA] Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: ruby (celticlions@comcast.net) |
Date: 2004-07-30 11:44:05 UTC-05:00
Ryan wrote:
<< On another bright note, do remember that many of the natural things
around you are quite nice and refreshing for cleaning up other body
parts. And the best part is: If you use leaves, smooth rocks, or
whatever, you CAN leave that behind. >>
Of course, it pays to check out this site about identifying poison ivy
before selecting your "natural thing" for body-cleansing!:
http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/poivy/
...because you might want to be careful of what else you "leave
behind"...!!!
Skidding in broadside,
Ruby Tuesday
<< On another bright note, do remember that many of the natural things
around you are quite nice and refreshing for cleaning up other body
parts. And the best part is: If you use leaves, smooth rocks, or
whatever, you CAN leave that behind. >>
Of course, it pays to check out this site about identifying poison ivy
before selecting your "natural thing" for body-cleansing!:
http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/poivy/
...because you might want to be careful of what else you "leave
behind"...!!!
Skidding in broadside,
Ruby Tuesday
[LbNA] Re: Yuck! THAT's not a letterbox!
From: Lightnin Bug (rpboehme@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-07-30 19:06:01 UTC
My dad actually likes to tell a story about a lady friend of his who
used the old "leaflets three" to clean up after a potty break.
There is not much in the world I can imagine being worse....
Lightnin' Bug
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "ruby" wrote:
> Ryan wrote:
> << On another bright note, do remember that many of the natural
things
> around you are quite nice and refreshing for cleaning up other body
> parts. And the best part is: If you use leaves, smooth rocks, or
> whatever, you CAN leave that behind. >>
>
> Of course, it pays to check out this site about identifying poison
ivy
> before selecting your "natural thing" for body-cleansing!:
> http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/poivy/
>
> ...because you might want to be careful of what else you "leave
> behind"...!!!
>
>
> Skidding in broadside,
> Ruby Tuesday
used the old "leaflets three" to clean up after a potty break.
There is not much in the world I can imagine being worse....
Lightnin' Bug
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "ruby"
> Ryan wrote:
> << On another bright note, do remember that many of the natural
things
> around you are quite nice and refreshing for cleaning up other body
> parts. And the best part is: If you use leaves, smooth rocks, or
> whatever, you CAN leave that behind. >>
>
> Of course, it pays to check out this site about identifying poison
ivy
> before selecting your "natural thing" for body-cleansing!:
> http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/plantpage/flora/poivy/
>
> ...because you might want to be careful of what else you "leave
> behind"...!!!
>
>
> Skidding in broadside,
> Ruby Tuesday